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Sin4 · Jun 03, 2008, 09:04 PM // 21:04

i have been trying to build the perfect a/r build for some time now and i can not get it just right so if you could please help me and give me some ideas i am open to anything

ogre_jd · Jun 03, 2008, 09:11 PM // 21:11

[Barrage][Distracting Shot][Sharpen Daggers][Way of the Master][Critical Eye][Critical Agility][Critical Defenses]

Max Marksmanship (+ Major rune) and max Critical Strikes (+ helm + Minor rune). Shadow Arts to r3 as a dump stat. Final slot depends on my mood, usually [[Viper's Defense]. [[Distracting Shot] gets replaced with [[Volley] sometimes. Replace [[Critical Agility] with whatever catches your eye, if you don't have it.

EDIT: Love how running out of coffee wrecks my brain. :P Make that a Major on the Critical Strikes helm and a Minor for Shadow Arts. For the rest of it, I prefer a Radiant & Attunement on the chest, Survivors on the rest of the armor, and your best Vigor rune and a Rune of Vitae in the last two slots armor slots. I prefer using a Zealous Flatbow of Fortitude with 15^50 (specifically, the Factions endgame Ironwing Flatbow).

Should be fairly straightforward - WotM, CE & CA before aggroing, as well as SD if there's fleshies, use CD & VD (and perhaps switching targets to what you just poisoned - that and bleeding does a good job together

) when something gets too close (which isn't too often, really). Reapply everything as necessary.

I'm having far more success with this build than I ever did with Daggers, even with the standard [[Death Blossom]/[[Moebius Strike] builds.

absolutcrobi · Jun 03, 2008, 09:13 PM // 21:13

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Originally Posted by Sin4

i have been trying to build the perfect a/r build for some time now and i can not get it just right so if you could please help me and give me some ideas i am open to anything

[critical eye][barrage][way of the master][sharpen daggers][critical agility] +interrupt; +self heal; =+rez

Bobby2 · Jun 03, 2008, 09:15 PM // 21:15

Unless you're going CritBow, there's not much in the Ranger line that meshes well with Assassins.

- IAS skills are in Expertise: short and expensive

- Wilderness Lore provides decent utility but requires significant investment: less of a problem for Rangers as they tend not to rely on damage.

[skill]poison tip signet[/skill]... but it's not like Poison is hard to come by thru our own skills.

EDIT: lol @ Sharpen Daggers love

I herd Bleeding sucks

matsif · Jun 03, 2008, 09:16 PM // 21:16

crit barrage is nice I heard...otherwise I can't think of anything that ranger has better than sin

[skill]barrage[/skill][skill]distracting shot[/skill][skill]savage shot[/skill][skill]critical eye[/skill][skill]way of the master[/skill][skill]shadow refuge[/skill][skill]disrupting accuracy[/skill][skill]sunspear rebirth signet[/skill]

I really like this, being you interrupt on almost every barrage, with some backup int's if you need them. you could potentially remove d-shot or savage shot if you wanted to and bring a spirit, but I like this

Sin4 · Jun 03, 2008, 09:17 PM // 21:17

i was thinking along the lines of a sin with a pet

Faure · Jun 03, 2008, 09:19 PM // 21:19

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Originally Posted by ogre_jd

[Barrage][Distracting Shot][Sharpen Daggers][Way of the Master][Critical Eye][Critical Agility][Critical Defenses]

Max Marksmanship (+ Major rune) and max Critical Strikes (+ helm + Minor rune). Shadow Arts to r3 as a dump stat. Final slot depends on my mood, usually [[Viper's Defense]. [[Distracting Shot] gets replaced with [[Volley] sometimes. Replace [[Critical Agility] with whatever catches your eye, if you don't have it.

Should be fairly straightforward - WotM, CE & CA before aggroing, as well as SD if there's fleshies, use CD & VD (and perhaps switching targets to what you just poisoned - that and bleeding does a good job together

) when something gets too close (which isn't too often, really). Reapply everything as necessary.

I'm having far more success with this build than I ever did with Daggers, even with the standard [[Death Blossom]/[[Moebius Strike] builds.

Is there a new update that allows runes from other then your prim profession?

sph0nz · Jun 03, 2008, 09:21 PM // 21:21

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Originally Posted by matsif

crit barrage is nice I heard...otherwise I can't think of anything that ranger has better than sin
[...]
I really like this, being you interrupt on almost every barrage, with some backup int's if you need them. you could potentially remove d-shot or savage shot if you wanted to and bring a spirit, but I like this

[skill]Barrage[/skill] removes preparations so your statement is false. Might as well remove [skill]Disrupting Accuracy[/skill] for [skill]Sharpen Daggers[/skill] or something since it's really the only thing an assassin barrager has over a ranger.

matsif · Jun 03, 2008, 09:22 PM // 21:22

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Originally Posted by sph0nz

[skill]Barrage[/skill] removes preparations so your statement is false. Might as well remove [skill]Disrupting Accuracy[/skill] for [skill]Sharpen Daggers[/skill] or something since it's really the only thing an assassin barrager has over a ranger.

yea I just remembered that...stupid on my part should have realized. you probably posted the best replacement

Sin4 · Jun 03, 2008, 09:26 PM // 21:26

im thinking more along the lines of a sin with a pet and running a poision and bleeding combo

theonetheonlybruce · Jun 03, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by Faure

Is there a new update that allows runes from other then your prim profession?

no theres not to any of mine knoledge i think he wasn't looking at what he was doing when he was writing it

zelgadissan · Jun 03, 2008, 09:28 PM // 21:28

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Originally Posted by Sin4

im thinking more along the lines of a sin with a pet and running a poision and bleeding combo

If you want a build with a pet simply replace [Critical Defenses] with [Charm Animal]. This is really the only legitimate A/R build around, I would suggest pitching [Sharpen Daggers] for your pet but if you want bleeding you've gotta get rid of something. Poison will be hard to come by since [Apply Poison] gets pulled by [Barrage] and [Poison Tip Signet] will only apply to the first arrow.

Sin4 · Jun 03, 2008, 09:35 PM // 21:35

yea but i would really like to use daggers not a bow

ogre_jd · Jun 03, 2008, 09:35 PM // 21:35

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Originally Posted by Faure

Is there a new update that allows runes from other then your prim profession?

Yeah. It's called "running out of coffee and mixing up what I was intending to say". :P Meant Major on the Critical Strikes helm, of course, and a minor for Shadow Arts.

zelgadissan · Jun 03, 2008, 09:38 PM // 21:38

Okay, if you want daggers with your pet then I'd try something like this, but I will say straight up I've never tested it out so it might (and probably will) suck. Also isn't your bleeding/poison, I'll work on that.

[Critical Agility][Critical Defenses][Golden Phoenix Strike][Death Blossom][Moebius Strike][Heart of Shadow][Call of Protection][Charm Animal]

Sin4 · Jun 03, 2008, 09:43 PM // 21:43

all looks good except the critical agility thing it can only be used during pve i would like to round the charcter out more and also it there a way to put in some posining moves

zwei2stein · Jun 03, 2008, 09:48 PM // 21:48

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Originally Posted by Faure

Is there a new update that allows runes from other then your prim profession?

*cough* withthirdpartyhackyoucanuserunesandinsigniaregardl essofyouractuallprofession. Its not fun when you get 3-seccond KDs from primary sin thanks to stonefist insignia.

RavagerOfDreams · Jun 03, 2008, 09:59 PM // 21:59

back on topic no there really isn't besides the barrager build but tbh that one sux pritty hard to

zelgadissan · Jun 03, 2008, 10:00 PM // 22:00

Haha, should've specified you're looking for a PvP style build, I think in terms of PvE first and foremost. Therefore, this will definitely suck since I'm a PvE main player but it does at least hit your Bleeding/Poison, and I'm also assuming it's for spiking a monk/mesmer.

[Critical Defenses][Sharpen Daggers][Death's Charge][Unsuspecting Strike][Entangling Asp][Falling Lotus Strike][Shattering Assault][Charm Animal]

Looking back, that takes assloads of energy...somebody else can surely come up with something better.

Bobby2 · Jun 03, 2008, 10:18 PM // 22:18

Ehmmm... Dagger Sin with pet will likely fail in PvP. Speccing high in Beast Mastery is

A: necessary if you're serious about that mutt
B: significantly deminishing to your attack power

Powerful BM skills... [skill]run as one[/skill] comes to mind first